Gene Smith Sees Jeremy Mincey, Rashean Mathis, Dwight Lowery, & Josh Scobee In Team's Future
by Alfie Crow on Feb 23, 2012 2:28 PM EST
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PrintThe Jacksonville Jaguars have some of their own free agents the team will likely keep on and re-sign before free agency officially begins on March 13. Four of those players look like they are very likely to be back, according to what Gene Smith told Tania Ganguli of the FLorida Times Union. Those four are defensive end Jeremy Mincey, cornerback Rashean Mathis, safety Dwight Lowery, and kicker Josh Scobee. Ganguli asked Gene Smith specifically about those four players. "Certainly those are players that we see being a part of our future," Smith told Ganguli in Indianapolis.
"We're working through that process," Smith told Ganguli. "We've had good dialogue. Obviously this year was a little different in the fact that we had a coaching transition. In fairness to mike and our coaching staff coming in, they had to get an opportunity to know our players."
All four would be key re-signings for the Jaguars, namely the three defensive players because they already are familiar with the defensive staff and the scheme. Scobee is the most likely candidate for the franchise tag if it comes to that, but most in the know don't think it will.
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Need is a pretty strong word in that sentence. Like? Yes..."need"? Idk...
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by SexonvilleShaguars on Feb 23, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Interesting...
Rashean being mentioned in this group. They must feel good about Rashean getting back to something close to speed.
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Or they could just feel like they want him back.
IF he gets healthy, If he doesn’t fully recover, it’s not an issue as they just move on.
Why would they talk contract, perhaps agree on a contract...
if they have doubts. Just go find another CB. It’s business, not personal.
How would it look if
Gene was saying that he didnt want Rasheen back? Its only febuary.
by JagSoldier on Feb 23, 2012 4:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
"Ganguli asked Gene Smith specifically about those four players."
You must have missed this part
So, that takes me back to, why would you talk to someone...
if you don’t think they’re going to contribute. Just, move on to the next CB.
You talk to them because IF THEY'RE HEALTHY
You want them back. If NOT, They won’t be playing anywhere. And you make the Contract dependent on them being healthy.
I can guarantee that right now, NOBODY KNOWS for certain if Rashean will be healthy enough to play next year.
No there's not.
There’s a deadline to sign him before he can sign with anyone else. But there’s no deadline to negotiate with and sign any free agent.
And my point was signing him to a contract does not mean “They must feel good about Rashean getting back to something close to speed.” since I doubt there would be much if any guaranteed money if he’s not on the opening day roster.
Because if hes healthy then he is a big asset to the team
There are so many holes to fix on this team that finding another starting CB shouldn’t be a priority this offseason. We need depth of course, but if wouldn’t we want to target upgrades at the receiver, OL, safety and lineback positions first?
That was my point as well
but it says nothing about where they feel he is at this time. Which was your initial comment.
I'm glad to hear it
Scobee and Rashean are iconic Jags figures in my mind, and it will truly be a sad day when either leaves or is cut. Rashean especially loves this city, despite the fan base being against him, and I hope he gets a shot at redemption.
Mincey is this era’s Paul Spicer, and I want to see him stick around until he can’t play anymore. Preferably with Mario Williams at the opposite end of the line though.
Mincey, Knighton, Alualu, Williams
C’mon.. that would be pretty unstoppable
by SexonvilleShaguars on Feb 23, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
This doesn't say much
Of course thy want them back, but the players may want to move on, and do want a good amount of money…so just cuz he can see them being in the team’s future, doesn’tvmean they will be…
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by rhettchrystal on Feb 23, 2012 3:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
all four of these guys are in this position because of the Jags
I think they will be more than willing to stick around. Not to mention they know they will be a part of a very strong defensive unit with an offense that is sure to improve.
The defense has a chance to be really special.
I still believe that once the offense is up to being atleast average and can stay on the field that the defense will be top 2 or 3. All of them should want to be a part of that.
by JagSoldier on Feb 23, 2012 4:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I still think the Defense's ranking
Benefited from the poor offense. Teams often were playing with a lead and were happy to play the slow risk-free style that we wanted to because they knew we weren’t going to score very many points. With the exception of TB teams took few chances and therefore kept the yards and points down.
I totally dissagree.
This defense was a monster. The majority of our games were very close and we lost some that we had a lead in. With the exception of the few blowouts we suffered, every team we played struggled to move the ball against us.
by JagSoldier on Feb 23, 2012 4:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
those are some good points, however:
an argument could be made that with our offense constantly handing the ball back, our defense had to be on the field longer and make more stops. So they ended up playing more than 50% of every game.
The quicker we give the ball back, the more chances the opposing teams get to score/gain yards on us. This can also impact defensive stats.
Imagine an offense that ate up 10 minutes of clock per drive like we did in 2007. Yards and points allowed would be reduced from that alone, which would move our defense up the ranks.
by SexonvilleShaguars on Feb 23, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Teams don’t take more chances to score if they have a comfortable lead. They eat clock… so no, you can’t really make that argument.
Except...
for the blowouts, there wasn’t many times when a team had ‘comfortable’ lead. So in the cases when they didn’t have a cushion, an argument can be made for what he’s saying.
I think that, considering our offense last year, anything over 3 points was likely a 'comfortable' lead.
(sarcasm)
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by Conservative on Feb 23, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
An easy way for you to prove your theory
would be to research the league’s worst offenses the last several years and see where their defenses ranked.
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by unhipcat on Feb 23, 2012 8:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If Mathis is signed, that means they expect him to be healthy enough to play
He doesn’t necessarily be his former self, but if he can be a solid depth player, then we won’t need to address the CB position as badly. With him, Cox, Middleton(he played very well last year) and Coleman, we would be alright at the position. I’m sure we will address it with another solid guy and hopefully Isaac can come in and actually surprise people.
the jags probably will resign Rashean and draft a rookie cb in rounds 1-3, and Middleton can probably start if needed
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Just because he wouldnt start in your scenario
doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be useful. He could rotate in and if any cornerbacks go down with an injury (which as we know happened a lot last season) he would easily be able to step up and take over. Hes a veteran who knows the system and is considering a leader on defense, hes very useful.
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Sure, he could fill the role of a backup...
but why hang on. Let him go, if you think he can’t start and pick up a CB with the #7 pick. He’ll get to be a starter on another team and we’ll have a new CB.
So, you don’t want a starting quality cornerback as depth because why… I’m failing to understand what you’re trying to say here?
I think Rashean is still a starter.
A #7 pick at CB would be a starter. If Rashean wants accept the role of a backup, along with backup money then the Jags are better, but is Rashean?
I’m still confused as to what your point is. So what if he’s going to or not going to start? That doesn’t change how you draft. Most teams have 3 corners on the field most of the game anyway.
I’m guessing you’re thinking that for some reason Mathis is going to be expensive… ?
I'm all for keeping Mathis...
My point was about a fictional #7 pick being a CB, and that person would be covering a WR1 or a WR2.
I still fail to understand why you can’t re-sign Mathis and draft a CB at No. 7.
Explain to me again why that’s not possible?
I agree with alfie
Improving depth is building a solid team. If we sign Mathis and then draft a corner mathis then becomes insurance for a cox or other CB injury.
Dammit just go out there and play to win and I'll be here to cheer!!!!
Why would he have to be done here?
I get your point being that If say we get Claiborne then he starts opposite of Cox, but what would be the rush starting him right away. It kind of follows the logic if if we sign Mincey and Avril than we shouldn’t draft Coples. Having a plethora of talent at positions is not a bad thing.
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Hes stated multiple times he wants to stay with the team
until he’s done for his career.
"I don't know what we're yelling about. "
He's already getting diminished pay,
also, if you read jaguars.com the general thought process is that he WOULDN’T be healthy in time to play right away this season.
Generally it takes 9 months to recover from the injury, he may be ahead of schedule but that doesn’t mean he would be ready to go from game 1.
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Well..
Im sure he would sign before the draft and there is no guarentee he woukd be a starter from Day 1.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Feb 23, 2012 6:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If we re-signed Mathis than he would be the starter
A #7 pick would be a starter but it doesn’t have to be right away. Mathis would give us two quality years than a guy like Claiborne, Kirkpatrick, Jenkins, etc. would come in and take his place.
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Starting is just a designation
It’s not like he won’t get playing time, with this pass happy league he would see the field plenty.
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Not if...
he isn’t the best CB on the team at the time. Just because a player is drafted high at a position doesn’t mean that he is going to come in and become the best player at his position. Especially when the team has other young talented players at the same position. I don’t think any CB the Jags could draft, even the best one in Claiborne is going to come in a be a better CB than Cox. Turn out to become a better player? Possibly. Start of as a better player? Doubtful.
You can if you want to.
That doesn’t make you right.
by kjones407 on Feb 23, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
usually teams that draft a CB 1st overall are in desperate need of one, like the Bucs probably will be this season (especially if Talib goes to jail). So for those teams, usually those CBs get to start.
But I could see us taking a CB 1st overall and starting him in the nickel til at least halfway through his first season.
If Claiborne is not grabbed by the Bucs, I would be very happy with him at 7. (Assuming Kalil is gone)
by SexonvilleShaguars on Feb 23, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
Tampa Bay did sign the LSU secondary coach as their secondary coach today
so, I have an idea the Bucs have a plan.
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I really hope
someone grabs him before the Bucs. A) It would just be funny to see all of these mocks be wrong again. B) That means a better chance of Richardson jumping into the mix before we pick – leaving another top 5 player for us to grab.
Richardson to us?
Is that what you are inferring?
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No effin' way
Some people are mocking T-Rich to the Bucs. That is more likely to happen if Claiborne is off the board.
he's not going to workout at combine or Bama Pro day
Not sure how much that will drop his stock.
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I just read that tonight
That kind of sucks, although I don’t know if he has too much to prove as far as speed or strength. It seems like teams just need to decide how early they want to take a RB. I wouldn’t be pressed with the rise of late round guys like Arian Foster and Fred Jackson.
The mocks will always be wrong
especially the ones out now. We haven’t even had the combine yet, a ton of players will make or break their draft stock on that day.
Of course
but Claiborne will have a tough time blowing his draft stock. From what I hear, he is not very “questionable” on tape. His combine is not as big of a deal as it is for other players. He is not trying to rise as much as trying not to fall. But, of course, anything can happen. Point taken.
Depends on how Coach Tucker
wants to package his CB’s. Besides, Mathis may not be able to play right away. Makes sense to get his eventual replacement now.
Right.
And that’s a problem because why, exactly? What does being a “starter” mean in your eyes? What does the starter designation matter in this discussion?
Cox is a starter...
Mathis is a starter. If we pick up a CB with the #7 pick, that CB would become a starter. If that scenario happens, who loses time.
who cares?
You have two starters and great depth.
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by Jagmania28 on Feb 23, 2012 6:13 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Besides, Mathis said there’s a more basic reason.
"I’m not ready to let go of my guys yet – the locker room, the camaraderie we have," Mathis said. "That is still a part of me. There will be a day where I wash my hands of it and say, ‘The Lord has allowed me to do great things,’ but that’s not here.
"My time is not up yet."
Hell, I forgot what the point was...
I started out hopeful when I read the article that Mathis could return next year and we would have one less hole to fill. Then I somehow got stuck in a morass about a fictional first round CB pick.
It's all good ...
time to call in the rescue dog … “here weego”!
I don't think you had a point...
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Even if Mathis returns, that shouldn’t preclude you from adding talented players.
You don’t pass on someone like Mo Claiborne just because you bring back Mathis. That’s silly.
by Alfie Crow on Feb 23, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just sayin' ... It is not up to us,
if Tucker wants Mathis … he will get Mathis.
Wait a minute
Mathis was the best CB we had last year and Cox was the #2 guy so wouldn’t Cox lose his starting role instead of Mathis if we pick corner at #7.
by Marqice. on Feb 23, 2012 5:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Because Mathis is over 30 and coming off a major injury.
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Get it together, Rhett!
Start posting and stop sleeping. Get some 5 hour energy drink. Or get some pills like Alex P. Keaton had in that episode of Famly Ties where he needed to stay up all night. Or meth.
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If hes in school
then im guessing Family Ties ended before he was born lol but nice reference
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I remember that episode.
I imagine some mixed cocktail of redbull, monster, and speedballs should do the trick. No more excuses young man.
by JagSoldier on Feb 23, 2012 6:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Mallory was hot
I remember reading that Justine Bateman seldom wore a bra when they did Family Ties. And who knew Mrs. Keaton would end up as a lesbian. Wow.
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I also read that
Jason Bateman doesn’t wear underwear when he does his movies. Does that do anything for you, Joe?
Can't say that it does
Can’t say that it does.
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Just cause you can't say it.....
does not mean it is not true….not that there is anything wrong with that!
I didn't even recognize that Rhett was gone
Lol just kiddin
by Jags85 on Feb 23, 2012 7:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
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by rhettchrystal on Feb 25, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
Mincey, Lowery, & Scobee
Re-signing those three would make me perfectly content. On the second-tier, I would also like to see Roth, Douzable, and C.J. Mosely come back for modest contracts as rotational linemen. I’ve always loved Rashean and would like to see him back as well so long as the price is right and the Jags personnel dept. feels comfortable with his progress returning from injury. I trust they’ll evaluate all of this well.
no mention of Roth
hmmm
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She didn't ask about Roth
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by unhipcat on Feb 23, 2012 8:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I've not heard any mention of Matt Roth all offseason aside from concussions
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Will Middleton
On a side bar, I would like to say that I thought Middleton played quite well coming in as a backup. I think he is a very solid corner who could be a starter. I noticed there is another Furman CB coming out in the draft this year named Ryan Steed, who is generating some moderate buzz from draftniks and scouts.
I think that 3rd CB spot needs to be upgraded
I see Middleton as an average CB with limited upside, I really expect the Jags to draft a CB in the first 3 rds.
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I agree with Steed.
Or, Trumaine Johnson … if he should fall into the third round.
+1
Other small school corners with some buzz are Josh Robinson from UCF and Josh Norman from Coastal Carolina. These guys could all be ripe for the picking (pun intended) in rounds 2-4. My love affair for the Jags at #7 overall is Morris Claiborne, but I doubt he will be there. I would take him over Blackmon if both were available.
we can only hope for Claiborn,
the others are there though & in the late rounds.
Jags coming back
scobee,lowery,mathis and mincey should get re-signed …….also mosley and douzable to minimal contracts …thats adds the depth we need back …. we pick up some recievers and mario williams in free agency …..then produce a good draft , and just like that ……them Jags are back as serious threats in the AFC baby !!!!!! GO JAGS !!!!
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by Daddycrapper on Feb 23, 2012 8:00 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Let's not forget that Coleman is our nickel corner.
Even when there were four corners out with injury, the Jags still liked Coleman in the slot. If Mathis doesn’t start, he’ll be on the bench a lot of the time.
Do you sign a 30-year-old at the positions where measurables (40 time, COD skills, hips) matter the most? Keep in mind, the team drafted two physically talented secondary players last year in Rod Issac and Chris Prosinski.
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by Brian Levenson on Feb 23, 2012 11:00 PM EST reply actions
They liked him in the slot because he CAN’T play the outside. That’s why he stayed in the slot while street free agents played the outside corner position instead of Coleman. He’s a nickel slot corner, only.
If Mathis is on the roster and healthy, he’ll be on the field over Coleman. Don’t kid yourself.
Its not like Mathis is going to get a major payday
He’s going to sign a very low contract so he can retire a Jag. Once he had that injury he knew he wasn’t going to get a payday.
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