NFL Combine Open Thread
by Alfie Crow on Feb 26, 2012 12:12 PM EST
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Forgot to put this up earlier, but discuss the 2012 NFL Combine here. Some notable times from this morning are Robert Griffin III running a 4.38 and Andrew Luck running a 4.59, both looking like great athletes all-around. Some surprises from the receiver group included Georgia Tech WR Stephen Hill running a 4.30 while Baylor's Kendall Wright ran a 4.45. Some other notables that have been discussed with the Jaguars are Mohammed Sanu running a 4.65, Michael Floyd running a 4.42, and Marvin McNutt running a 4.42.
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Jordan White
YIKES!!! with his 40 times
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Hill really intrest me!
Looked really fluid in catching drills and that speed for that size of a man is wow!
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by JaxBlaster on Feb 26, 2012 12:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Stephen Hill
is a track guy. The combine is his thing. He can catch, but is horribly inconsistent. Remember Troy Williamson?
Idk about that
He has had some drops but the QB throwing to him last year was even more inconsistent. He bailed Tevin Washington out on some throws. With a proper coach, he could be very good. I don’t think Tech really develops their WRs as much as they just throw them out there. He sure is athletic though.
Coaching
has nothing to do with him getting the ball thrown to him while wide open and dropping it. He struggles with the little things. He also makes some spectacular catches, bailing out the QB too. However, he has similar athleticism to Demaryius Thomas, but nowhere near the production or consistency.
I hate to tag anybody as the next Troy Williamson but he and Hill have very similar college stats.
by Fivus Viener on Feb 26, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
His physical abilities are not the question
it’s his mental abilities that are.
Ok Im only going to say this once.
I’ve watched Hill play for the past 3 years being a Tech alum. He is a physical freak, although not very strong. He has a knack for coming up with big catches but at least once a game will just drop a wide open, “easy” to catch pass. His run blocking is absolutely amazing. He is not afraid to lay a hit on a DB. And his hamstrings……Oh Lord don’t even get me started on his hamstrings.
We all waited for him to become the next CJ or DT. It never happened. He never really rose to the occasion or made big plays when the game was really on the line. His inability to make even the simplest catches at crunch time drove us absolutely crazy.
All that being said. He is absolutely worth taking a look at. But he will need at least a year to learn how to play WR in a pro offense. With his combine results he will probably shoot up into the 1st round. I wouldnt take him until the second though. And with the state of our WR corps, I would much rather draft somebody that is going to catch the ball.
by asharp12587 on Feb 26, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Heard that Dwight Jones ran a 4.46 on his second 40.
Any confirmation on that from those watching? Also, I like Joe Adams in the 3rd more than Kendall Wright in the 1st.
by SilentJag on Feb 26, 2012 12:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Derek Moye
is another guy who can really track a ball.. Watched him alot in college
agreed
being a Penn sate fan i may be classified as biased but he has got the height and pretty decent hands, could be a day 3 pick
by only jags fan in orange on Feb 26, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
penn state fan too..
so we are bias.. BUT he is a solid receiver and will be in the league for a long time. #2 or #3 for a long time
I hope Sanu's moderately slow time
pushed him down some. I wouldn’t mind him being there in the 2nd.
The appeal is that he catches the ball and is physical
He is in no way a number 1 receiver, but he knows how to fight for the ball and catch it. I dont know if you follow Rutgers at all, but he has not had a decent FBS QB in his three years there. He’s impressive on the field.
long catch all year was 32 yards..
not saying thats the end all, but that along with his speed, i’d rather take somebody else at WR in the 2nd
understandable and a fair point.
it just depends on the type of receiver we get in FA. If we can get a Vincent Jackson type of guy, then I would like a Sanu type of player. If we can only come out with a Manningham type of player, then I see a guy like Jeffrey, Hill, or a bigger body receiver. I think we already have a tinier slot receiver in Thomas. I just wouldnt look into Sanu’s stats as much, kind of like Hill, because of the lack of QB play. Who are you liking the Jags to get at this point?
Taking him with the 39th overall pick is way too high for a guy you know won’t be a No. 1, especially with this group of receivers.
by Alfie Crow on Feb 26, 2012 12:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
this is a strong receiver class.
I would prefer us to trade down in the first anyways to get another 2nd to grab the receiver we want. It seems like this class has a ton of speed guys compared to usual.
It all depends on Free Agency
We may be drafting WR 2 of our first 3 picks if the WR in Free agency are tagged and we don’t land Colston or Lloyd or Stevie
Well, there goes Sanu getting taken in the 2nd…
by Catfanatic1979v1 on Feb 26, 2012 12:26 PM EST reply actions
for sanu thats pretty embarrassing
he might be a good player but an almost 4.7 wont cut it in the nfl ask ernest wilford
on another note wtf is up with these 40 times?
guys with separation problems bj cunningham and marvin mcnutt run 4.45s? and kendal wright only runs a 4.5. whattttt????
Cold Blooded
I would imagine Wright seems much faster with pads on
Some guys can just get coached up on the 40 better than others. I still like Wright though.
I had the same thought about Wright.
I don’t think 4.5 is a good representation of his game speed.
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by Brian Levenson on Feb 26, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
yeah idk if 40s are important anymore honestly
when stuff like that happens. no way marvin mcnutt is faster than kendall wright on the field
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by Jaggaholic82 on Feb 26, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Just an observation.
Wright didn’t seem comfortable with his hand on the ground in the 40.. and in reality, when does he ever start with his hand on the ground?
yeah i noticed that also
i think receiver should start from their stance instead of the hand on the ground
Cold Blooded
by Jaggaholic82 on Feb 26, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
good you noticed it too...
The kid can fly on the football field, although Floyd and Mcnutt’s times really are attractive with the size.
Stephen Hill is a project but GT has produced good and Great receivers in recent years.
DONT TRUST A 40....
GO OFF GAME TAPE……IF U GO OFF 40 U GET A MATT JONES….DID HE LOOK LIKE A 4.4 ON THE FIELD?
40's can be misleading for sure
Didn’t Fitz run around a 4.5? That’s who i’d compare Wright to.
On the other hand you have players like Jacoby Ford and Da’Rel Scott with super fast speeds and they aren’t great football players (yet?)
by SexonvilleShaguars on Feb 26, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah...
acceleration and speed are two seperate things.
and that is why in some respects
i like the 10 yard time in conjunction with the 40 yard. see how quick they get out and then how long as a whole it takes.
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Never thought
Wright was as fast as people kept saying. Not a fan of his as a prospect in general. Mike Wallace is helping his draft stock a ton.
Wow
this class is LOADED with receivers. I dont want to take one at 7 because there are so many good ones we can get later. Who else would like to trade back and get Janoris Jenkins in the teens?
To me today's results didn't change anything
The WR group may be deep but I honestly don’t see a player worthy of the #7 selection. Today’s results just clarified what players would be the better 2nd and 3rd round picks. What I want to see is the DE and CBs workout. There are a lot of guys in that group who could be the choice at #7.
"I don't know what we're yelling about. "
I still like Coples with the first pick.
But in the 2nd I am game for whoever. There are a lot of fast WRs in this class with good size. I think Blackmon is going to fall hard. He isn’t fast, his hands are overrated, and he isn’t that big.
Yeah..
My thinking is Why would a Top 5 team draft Blackmon when there is somebody in the top of the second round they could take instead?
I disagree about Coples but we will see…
I disagree..
Trent Richardson isnt likely going to be the pikc because Jones-drrew
LB is unlikely because our LB are solid
DT doesnt make sense.
I think you pick BAP in the positions of need.
WR,CB,DE, OT
further..
If we sign Mario and Mincey, we wouldnt draft Coples because we still need a CB, RT and WR
BAP
If we sign Mario and Mincey it shouldn’t matter. If Coples is the highest rated player on our board at #7 then we draft him
"I don't know what we're yelling about. "
Not if there is a CB ranked close and we need a starting CB
I can promise you that
Whats your opinion on DeCastro
I think he will be available and can be pro bowl guard first year if he goes anywhere but Jax but probably wouldnt get love here. A guard at 7 seems ridiculous but he will likely be the best elite prospect available
Too high for a Guard.
Doesn’t matter how elite, it’s just not as important a position.
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by Brian Levenson on Feb 26, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly,
even in that case I don’t think he’s worth the #7 pick. Part of the value of a pick is the opportunity cost of said pick. Who else could you have taken with that #7 pick? Keep in mind that guard is very much a non-premier position.
If you get a Steve Hutchinson but could have had say… a Richard Seymour, a Frank Gore or a Nnamdi Asomugha with the same pick, did you make the right choice?
Why did I use those three examples btw? Because I think they correspond to guys I like that should be available for us: Quentin Coples, Trent Richardson and Dre Kirkpatrick.
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by Brian Levenson on Feb 27, 2012 3:29 AM EST up reply actions
Listen..
Gene Smith does NOT pick BAP…
I dont care what he says.. He picks position of need.
judging from his past picks
he drafts BAP in position of need.
2009: needed OL, MOnroe and Britton are drafted
2010: Reached on ALualu b/c DT was position of Need
2011: Moved up to draft Franchise QB because we needed a QB
2012: is going to draft either OT,DE,CB, or WR based on whichever holes we have left after free agency
You truly believe is we sign Mario and Mincey
We would still draft Coples?
If he does, it is a mistake and he is ignoring holes at CB, WR and OL..
BAP..with common sense
more like.
2009: Needed Everything, Monroe and Britton drafted
2010: Needed WR/LB, drafted 4 Dlinemen
2011: Needed WR/CB/DE, drafted QB with a 5-year starter still on the roster.
2012: Needs WR/OT/DE/CB(?)
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by Brian Levenson on Feb 26, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
DT (DL in general) was a need. QB was a need, no matter how much you want to deny it.
Try again.
by Alfie Crow on Feb 26, 2012 3:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What I’m trying to get across is that our perceived needs before and after the season started were very different, as is the case with most teams.
Going into ‘10, DT was a need, but the Jags could have fielded Knighton and Henderson, which wouldn’t have been terrible. Henderson was old, and it was a good move to replace him, but I don’t think anyone would have expected four straight D-linemen. It just straight up ignored most of the needs of the team to reinforce one position.
Not an argument against Gene, but needs aren’t what primarily informs his drafting in most cases.
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by Brian Levenson on Feb 26, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
So, you just admitted going into 2010 DT was a need. Before you said it wasn’t. Was it a need or not?
The entire DL was a need. It didn’t ignore anything by drafting 4 straight DL. It addressed a need.
It addressed A need, not ALL of them.
Obviously, you don’t pick a player if you don’t think he’ll play for you.
Gene didn’t, on the other hand, say "OK we need two new WR, two new LBs, a DT and a DE and just draft those things. He picked what he deemed the best players he could find, and they turned out to be 4 D-linemen.
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by Brian Levenson on Feb 27, 2012 3:35 AM EST up reply actions
At the time of the draft
most people didn’t think DT was a big need. We still had Henderson and Knighton was already Drafted and ascending. Not to mention we also got/had Aaron Kampman.
by Ewdtrey on Feb 26, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Before we knew Garrard was struggling, it wasn't a big need.
Garrard had done a lot with a little for the last few years. Yeah, he was getting up there, but I think pre the Gabbert selection most people assumed Garrard would be our starter for at least another year.
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by Brian Levenson on Feb 27, 2012 3:31 AM EST up reply actions
what if they have Tannehill at the top of their board
trading out not a possibility, BAP shifts to BAP in area of need
thank you Jermaside..
its BAP in area of need.
QB, RB, C,DT,S,LB will not be our first pick no mater who is ranked where on there board.
First of all...
Of course QB wont be the BAP because 1 We are committed to Blaine 2 All the Elite QB prospects will be gone; RBs can be picked later and we don’t need one; No one picks centers in the 1st round unless your a Pouncey; We’re loaded at DT but if another Suh came along I wouldn’t be against picking one, same thing with safety and linebacker. It all depends. Again your concept of BAP is flawed. Free agency has no bearing on who we pick.
to say Free Agency doesn't have any bearing on how Free Agency goes you are absolutely wrong
If we sign Mario and Mincey, Coples, and don’t fill our starting CB or RT or #1 WR hole, we aren’t drafting Coples.
If We sign Brandon Carr at CB, we aren’t draft a CB at #7
If we sign Colston and/or #2 in FA, we arent drafting a WR at #7
BAP at position of need. If we sign Mario and Mincey, DE is now a strength on this team. Our #7 draft pick needs to be an impact player and a starter, not a back up DE with Mario and Mincey ahead of him….
Different team
They won the Super Bowl.. They dont have holes at every other position like we do
You're clueless.
They didn’t win the superbowl last year or the year before that did they? The Giants pick BAP, DE wasn’t a hole when they picked JPP, yet they picked him anyway.
they won in 2008
drafted him in 2010..
Im not clueless. If you have a team that is solid and has options, you can build on your strengths.
We might be in that situation in a couple years, but we aren’t there yet.
Giants can afford to draft any position.. BAP
Yeah right.
The Giants aren’t completely devoid of holes on their team. They could use an upgrade at LB, S and possibly DT.
when you're in the playoffs and u have won a super bowl
you have the freedom to draft BAP..
I’m not always right, but im right in this argument
You can think...
that you’re right all you want but the logic is still flawed. Following the BAP philosophy (if there is such a thing) isn’t something that would be contingent upon your record. As Slvrgun was trying to point out to you, they didn’t win the Super Bowl for another three years after their ‘08 victory. Does that mean the years they didn’t win it all, they were no longer BAP drafters those years? I doubt it, so chances are, you’re wrong.
Do you even know what we were arguing?
He was implying that Gene Smith drafts BAP regardless of position of need, and used the Giants as an example.
I said that the Jaguars are not in a position like the Giants, and they have drafted position of need in the past drafts and will continue to do so…
I trust Genes word.
Neither one of us our privy to his big board but if he says he took the BAP according to him I believe him. I know one thing Monroe and Gabbert were some of the highest rated players during their draft. They were clear BAPs. I am not sure about Alualu, but Gene did the rating so apparently to him he was BAP. I see nothing wrong with getting a premier pass rusher with the first pick. It may appear that they were drafting for need because we really needed those positions but they were all consensus (aside from Alualu, I think) top 10 picks. What happened is a phenomenon called “value meeting need.”
Let me ask you this
if you drafted a player, wouldn’t you say “He was the best player available!”
not “Well, he was 10th on our board but it was a position of need”
Of course the guy who drafted him is going to say it was BAP, use your brain. He hasn’t drafted a high round RB since MJD was drafted right? i guess no RB was BAP in the past 6 years..
And on top of that
Why aren’t the Rams drafting RG3?
BC they have Sam Bradford, he does not fill a position of need.
Why don’t the Vikings draft Trent Richardson?
Why won’t We draft Trent Richardson?
Hmmm… BAP? NAHH
I could care less...
what you two were arguing about. What I said was in response to what you said in that specific response I replied to.
You can say what you will about Gene’s approach to the draft but it still doesn’t mean that you’re right and from what you’re saying, I don’t think you are.
That Gene doesn't consider position of need when he drafts??
Wow.. i’m gonna hold my opinion to myself so i don’t burn a bridge here.
No
This:
when you’re in the playoffs and u have won a super bowl
you have the freedom to draft BAP..
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Feb 27, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
how is that silly logic?
A SUper bowl team has more freedom then a 5-11 Jaguar team that has 6 starting spots unknown…
Falcons traded everything for Julio Jones b/c they thought it would put them over the top. Great player for them, but that move would have been completely stupid for us, as we need draft picks to fill holes. Good teams have flexibility to draft BAP and bad teams need to fill need positions.
The Falcons GM has gone on record
as saying he is a “needs based” drafter.
Because your trying to assume..
that because a team won the Super Bowl they have no needs, thats just silly logic.
The Falcons analogy is nonsense and doesn’t apply here at all.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Feb 27, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
You're wrong.
If FA had a bearing on Gene’s draft board, I doubt our draft would’ve played out the way it did. We had much more pressing needs than QB and G, yet those were still his first two picks. If FA really did have an impact on his draft, I think he would’ve drafted more LB’s and S’s than the one safety he drafted.
More LB and S??
he knew last year he could have a shot at Poz and Landry and Lowery..
And when Blaine fell to 10, that was a position of need as well..
You guys amaze me….
And what if they were re-signed
or if they simply didn’t want to sign with the Jags.
Call Blaine a need pick all you want, but he obviously was their highest rated player on their board at 10, or they wouldn’t have made the trade.
The BAP definitely has a scope. Or else we would be taking Trent Richardson at 7, because there is a pretty fair possibility of him being available at 7.
What I would like to see is a possible trade down for 2 1sts and grab 2 players that might go a little later but are still strong at positions we need if we don’t need the BAP at 7.
by SexonvilleShaguars on Feb 26, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Now I really do not understand Best Available Player
Say the Jaguars had the #2 pick and everyone pretty much assumes that Luck and RG3 are the top 2 best available players. We determine that we do not have a need for a quarterback this year.
If we don’t take one of those 2 then we are not practicing BAP principles. More Vicisms.
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Well if you want to be fair
Gene said he would have drafted Big Ben as his BAP despite getting Byron the year before.
I've heard that and I think that's unfair on Gene's part
If you’re that upset with the pick to speak publicly, why did he sit idly by? Resign! To me it’s nothing more than revisionist history.
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When did he actually say it?
I’ve heard that, too, but have never seen the quote.
by JohnnyBiceps on Feb 27, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Disagree.
If a guy is good enough, there’s no reason to pass on them. If Tannehill was the best guy available, I’d take him. QB is too valuable a position to turn down somebody who could put a team over the top.
(I don’t think Tannehill is that guy btw)
I’m not totally opposed to taking Richardson at RB either, but it’s very unlikely.
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by Brian Levenson on Feb 26, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
So why isn't St. Louis going to take RG3?
by kungfuman104 on Feb 26, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
because they can trade that pick
for a boatload of other picks, which is exactly what they need. But, if St. Louis didn’t have that option and he was truly BAP, then I say you definitely think about it.
by CheapSeat on Feb 26, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Who said they're not?
If they don’t, it’d because they believe strongly in Sam Bradford. They might.
Then again, they’re picking 2nd overall for a reason. At some point, they made bad decisions in FA and the draft.
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by Brian Levenson on Feb 27, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
How do we know RG3 will be there?
What if the Colts pick him? I see no reason why they’d not give RG3 a look. Luck seems to be over hyped.
You'd take him
but not because of BAP..lol
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Feb 26, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
I said I'd take him because he's BAP
that’s what I mean by “best guy available”
Just to have the record clear here, I’m very BAP. That’s part of the reason I didn’t like the Gabbert pick, because I felt the pick was weighted by his position, and that the Jags gave up more value than they should have for him.
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by Brian Levenson on Feb 27, 2012 3:39 AM EST up reply actions
Isn't that why it's impossible
to really judge BAP. There are 32 teams and 32 different opinions about who the top 32 players are and in what order they should be selected.
I’d be willing to bet, though there’s no way to actually know, that at least 1 of the 32 teams does not have Andrew Luck rated as the #1 player.
You would pick him
but I think thats more part of your intense hate of Gabbert than BAP or Value.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Feb 27, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
BTW, I’m a straight up Joe Adams guy in this draft.
by Catfanatic1979v1 on Feb 26, 2012 12:59 PM EST reply actions
I've seen him.. he is like Kendall Wright on the field
neither guy is getting caught
4.45 unofficial?
his second run he looked terrible with his hand on the ground.. he is faster on the field but still
I thought he looked like he had a gut
and overall out of shape. When he was at the line his stomach was sagging
Any love for Tommy Streeter?
He is 6-5 and ran an unofficial 4.34 and a 4.38.
officials are out, 4.40
definitely has athleticism which is intriguing, Mayock said he doesnt play that fast though
I don't know, I disagree with Mayock on this one.
Some guys had better times than expected, but we know they don’t play that fast (McNutt), but I watched Streeter display that speed on many occasions. I feel like he is a potential number 1 receiver in the 2nd-3rd round.
by Adam Bealyer on Feb 26, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
I'd love Streeter in the 3rd
I don’t see him going before that though, he has a lot of work to do on his route running, I think thats the main thing that kept him off the field at Miami… (Go Canes!)
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Feb 26, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
thanks..
Floyd 4.47 i think u ment..
HAs anybody seen AJ Jenkins play? impressive 40 time from him
Stephen Hill would be a STEAL in the 3rd round
and i’d even be happy if we got him in the 2nd.
His size and speed are great, and he the next big receiver to come out of Georgia Tech following Calvin and Demaryius Thomas
by SexonvilleShaguars on Feb 26, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
3rd or Later
That’s probably where Hill belongs. He’s got the measurables, but not the intangibles to be a great receiver. He’s not the next Bebe or Calvin.
I agree
But I dont think after today he will fall that far, his combine looked strong, he caught the ball strong and properly with his hands, he is tall, and had a 4.30 40, IMO he looked much better than most of the reputed 1st or 2nd round prospects, and maylock, kept talking about him, so IMO he may even move up to the first, IMO I see him being a calvin johnson type, I would love to see him in BLACK next year
Was jefferys not competing in any yhing?
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I just want 1 of these 3:
Brian Quick, Stephen Hill and Tommy Streeter. Please Gene, just one of them?
I trust that Jerry Sullivan will guide Gene
and get us good WRs draft and FAs. Biggest offseason move!
Very possible.
I agree, Sullivan is a big deal.
by Adam Bealyer on Feb 26, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Fitzgerald flew him out to ARI
to try and get him to accept a job there and he came here, thats the kind of story that excited me about the hire and then the love for him poured on from all over
Brandon Lloyd
even said he would want to play here bc of Jerry Sullivan..
Building on this Sullivan topic, could you guys imagine what he could do with a guy like Michael Floyd?
With his 4.42 and 4.4 forty time, combined with nice height & build, I see him as a nice prospect to mold. I’m high on Floyd, I see tons of potential (especially if the character issues are gone). Sullivan coaches this guy with the reputation he has, & we got a nice new target for Gabbert.
by jagzman04 on Feb 26, 2012 2:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would be excited if we drafted him..
If there was a player a team wanted to trade up for and we dropped to the mid teens and picked Floyd that’d be a great pick
What did Brian quick run?
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by rhettchrystal on Feb 26, 2012 2:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions
the official time for him is 4.55
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Hows this sound
1st- Trade Back and take WR Michael Floyd
2nd- CB Brandon Boykin and WR Joe Adams
3rd- CB Josh Norman
4th- TE Michael Egnew
5th- DE Olivier Vernon
6th- WR Devon Wylie
7th- P Shaun Powell
Get Mario Williams and Stevie Johnson in Free Agency
by duvaljag on Feb 26, 2012 3:03 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
just one of many scenarios i like.
But I want us to trade down in every scenario unless say Claiborne is there at 7
I would take it, except take a DE or RT with one of the CB picks you have
I thought Wylie looked good on his cuts today. He looked quick.
He's SUPER quick
if he could stay healthy and learn to catch more consistently, he could be better than Welker.
yea i looked up wylie's highlights and the guy is a baller.
I would consider Cordy Glenn in the 1st too
Hillman, Pead, Turbin, Wilson and Martin are all favs of mine so far at RB.
by Catfanatic1979v1 on Feb 26, 2012 3:10 PM EST reply actions
best combination
What is the best combination of wrs we can get in free agency and the draft?
by Marshall856 on Feb 26, 2012 3:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
In gene we trust
Stephen Hill is the type of WR Gene needs to draft. Speed and Tall, not slow and short.
Get him for me gene
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yep
+1 on that comment, He looked best today, he was better then anyone else I have seen at WR, in the combine, maylock loved the guy, and at GT he wasnt used very much, so he could be calvin johnson and people are just now starting to take notice
I was looking back on some workout numbers
and it should be noted that Mike Thomas also ran a 4.3 40 prior to being drafted. And he is more than half a foot shorter than Hill. It would be interesting to see Mike Thomas quickness in a guy 6’4.
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Thomas
Doesn’t play with 4.3 speed though.
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Not on punt returns...
he doesn’t. Some will argue it but Thomas has speed.
This has to be...
the first time I’ve seen you say something about Thomas that wasn’t bashing the man.
that is true
but the 4.3 WAS his 40 time. I would love to see a guy with the 4.3 straight line and the 6’4 height playing for the Jags.
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maybe not at the combine, but he must have somewhere
I am going to trust wikipedia on this one. I doubt a straight up lie is on Wikipedia for this long.
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why would i doubt wikipedia is lying?
because of the open nature of it, anyone can edit mistakes and with so many people on Wikipedia everyday reading the various pages, it is bound to be that at some point someone would find the lie and fix it. For all I know it is a lie, but given how long Thomas has been in the NFL and how long his Wikipedia page has been displaying that 4.3 as his 40 time, I tend to favors the chances it is not a lie.
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According to
nfldraftscout he ran a 4.3 at the combine, and according to Gene Smith he ran a 4.29 at the combine.
Those times are inflated. No way he ran a 4.29.
Analysis
Positives: Short, but has a strong, surprisingly think frame. Good initial burst off the snap and can quickly eat up the cushion if unchallenged at the line of scrimmage. Can sink his hips and shows good immediate burst out of his breaks. Good toughness as a receiver and returner. Not afraid of contact and will go over the middle or attack the seam as a returner with reckless abandon. Good vision for the cutback and sets up his blocks well. Soft hands for the reception. Can pluck outside of his frame. Good body control to make extend and make the tough catch. Short, but times his leaps well. Returned two punts as a senior — his first year as a returner. Solid week of practice at the Senior Bowl. Well suited to moving inside to the slot position.
Negatives: Will be limited to a slot position in the NFL, as he lacks the size and strength to play outside. More quick than fast. Good timed speed, but lacks the top end speed to consistently beat defenders over the top. Prone to lapses in concentration and drops more passes than he should. Production is inflated due to Arizona’s spread offense and lack of surrounding playmakers throughout much of Thomas’ career.
Sounds almost 190% correct.
Straight from NFL.com
http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers#year=2009&workout=FORTY_YARD_DASH&position=WR
Because from tape guys with big hands and jumping ability are the better catchers
I multiplied Height by hand size by verticle jump to find a range/catching number (not a scientific thing at all) and the guys ranked out:
Criner, Hill, McNutt, Sanu, Posey, Floyd, M Jones, Toon, Quick, Streeter, D Jones, Randle, Adams, Wright, Givens
Then I took their number and multiplied it by 5 minus their 40 time and the rank changed to:
Hill, Streeter, M Jones, Floyd, Posey, McNutt, Toon, Quick, Givens, D Jones, Randle, Adams, Criner, Sanu, Wright
What these tell? I dont know but I was bored and the ranks seem interesting.
i like devon wylie
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The Problem with our Wide recievers is that they're never wide open and they have trouble receiving the ball...
by TheTealDeal on Feb 26, 2012 3:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yup.
Caps lock is not cruise control for cool.
by ROFLCOPTER16 on Feb 26, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Great at making DBs look foolish.
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Feb 26, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Fast, great explosion, good routes, nice hands.
/end pimping
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Feb 26, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Mhm
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by TheTealDeal on Feb 26, 2012 5:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I do too,
really made some plays in the Senior Bowl or Shrine Game don’t remember which one it was.. He measured a little taller than I thought he was too.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Feb 26, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
My Proposed Draft as of now
Would be to trade back and add some picks. There are so many talented WRs in this draft so I would probably take a OT or DE in the first in the mid teens. Then in the 2nd I would take a long athletic prospect like Hill or Streeter, and then a Corner. In the 3rd I would suggest a OT or DE whichever wasn’t pick in the 1st. In the 4th I would look at another WR or possibly a Saftey. In the 5th I would look at an offensive weapon with speed or some more DL. In the 6th go BPA
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by Thunder64 on Feb 26, 2012 6:03 PM EST via mobile reply actions
he has the athletic tools to be good he just needs some polishing and coaching
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by Thunder64 on Feb 27, 2012 7:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Quinton Coples
25 bench reps? Pretty weak for a DE.
Derrick Harvey did 31 in 2008, but I thought Coples was bigger, stronger, faster?
by SexonvilleShaguars on Feb 26, 2012 6:15 PM EST reply actions
where did you see that?
Today is only RBs, wrs, and QBs
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by TheTealDeal on Feb 26, 2012 6:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah i saw that
its not to bad for a small end but for a 285 end thats strong suit is his power not speed thats pretty bad
Cold Blooded
by Jaggaholic82 on Feb 26, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
idk why you think thats plenty
its not. his game is predicated around power more than speed and when a guy like whitney mercilus whos 25 pounds lighter than you and only has 1/4 inch shorter arms out benches you. theres something wrong there
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by Jaggaholic82 on Feb 26, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
sorry whitney mercilus has longer arms
WM-33 7/8
QC-33 1/4
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by Jaggaholic82 on Feb 26, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with you
Guys who bench a lot are great football players!
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Feb 27, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
good!
now scoutings gonna be so much easier. just walk into the nearest gym and pick out the guys who lift the most weights
we gotta keep this under raps though if we keep this a secret we could make some serious money
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by Jaggaholic82 on Feb 27, 2012 1:49 AM EST up reply actions
brockers had 19 too
which is horrendous
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by Jaggaholic82 on Feb 26, 2012 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
bench press doesnt make a player
JPP only had 19 reps = pro bowl
stephen paea had 49 reps=decent
it doesnt indicate how good a football player someone is
it shows the upper body strength of a player
also they are different positions and completely different types of players
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by Jaggaholic82 on Feb 26, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
where are you getting the bench numbers from for des?
by JAGNUG on Feb 26, 2012 6:57 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
nfl.com/combine/tracker
you gotta go to monday results for DE even though its sunday
by SexonvilleShaguars on Feb 26, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
After today, I hope we find a way to end up with Floyd or Hill.
I am afraid Hill may not be there in the second round though.
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If he isn't thats OKAY
If he is, then we can draft him..
If we sign Colston/Lloyd, we could draft Floyd or a WR in the second round and our receivers will be set for next year.
No need to reach for Hill, plenty of other players at WR this year
Hill Hill Hill
This guy is a beast he ran fast, looked strong, is tall and caught the ball strong, this is exactly what we need, HE made some serious dollars for himself today, LETS GET THIS GUY. Trade back get him late IN THE FIRST, and then get our needs elsewhere in the draft and in free agency, Blackmon should have took his agents advice, and took the combine off, his stock dropped big time today, and adams seemed to have some problems catching the ball as well, TAKE HILL, HE IS ANOTHER CALVIN JOHNSON
or a Troy Williamson
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Plays like
Sidney Rice from the looks of it. On paper Hill is better in nearly every way, but on the field they don’t look too different.
Michael Floyd
He should be our pick at #7! I believe he will have a better career than Blackmon. The one thing that I love about him is that he looks the ball in and catches it with his hands. Too many times do I see WRs catch wrong and that’s why there are so many drops. He has a very big frame and is a strong run blocker; important for our team because of MJD even if the offensive gameplan has changed under Mularky. I believe he will be a player maker for this team and because he will be coached by Jerry Sullivan. I still think they will draft 2 WRs.
meh
just watch, he’ll be the training room warrior this year.
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Love the overreaction from combine results every year
Remember last year when Edmund Gates ran a blistering 4.32 forty and a 10 – 11 broad jump. It skyrocketed his stock into the 4th round from obscurity where he was picked by the Dolphins. His rookie season saw him only grab 2 catches. Sometimes combine results equal success but just as often they don’t. Stephen Hill had a superb day but claiming Hill is the next Calvin Johnson or going to be a great receiver is extremely premature and an overreaction.
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I think Clyde will do well in Miami
Give him an offseason and a bigger role on the offense and I think we’ll see him show up
by SexonvilleShaguars on Feb 26, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
vote no on sanu....
if i can run a 40 faster than you, you shouldnt be a wr on an nfl roster. free agents and brian quick please.
by tellitlikeitistc on Feb 26, 2012 7:56 PM EST reply actions
I know some people will probably disagree with me
But I don’t care What there 40 time is if they have Game Speed
by Jags85 on Feb 26, 2012 8:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
they could run
a 8.0 40 if they can catch 1,000 yards and 10 tds
by clockwork1123 on Feb 26, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
Janoris Jenkins
PFT says he came off very humbled by his past arrests, but did anyone know he had 4 kids already? Unbelievable.
Alualu had 2 kids when drafted I believe
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I believe Alualu was married with kids
And Jenkins has 4 kids with 3 women
by kungfuman104 on Feb 26, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
I just cringe when people bring up the kids
Trent Richardson had 2 kids in high school. Folks in Pensacola killed him every article with the blogs. My mentioning Alualu with wife and kids was not intended as a slam. Sure we all joke about Cromartie and his 9 kids, but I really don’t see a big issue.
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4 kids
plus drug charges = chronically bad decisions
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chronically?
nice word choice.
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We shouldn't draft him because of that?
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Feb 26, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
What was the excuse we just got about M. Lewis' bad season? It matters.
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by Conservative on Feb 27, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
IDC where all the mocks have everybody going.
Give me Whitney Mercilus every day any day over Quinton Coples.
16 sacks, 9 FF (Both NCAA leading) and 22 1/2 TFL (2nd in NCAA). Stronger then Coples, Quicker then Coples, better at rushing the passer then Coples.
Credits his Breakout junior year to an incident in the weight room over spring 2011. Lost a finger helping a teammate squat. Says that his mother and father did whatever it took to put food on the table for me and my sister, and now “It’s time for me to take care of them!”
Whitney Mercilus, we have waited to long for a pass rusher here in Jacksonville. WELCOME!
So let me get this straight..
You will over look Mercilus’ two years of.. lets say “less than stellar” performing when only producing for one year was your major complaint about Coples? lol
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Feb 27, 2012 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
He didn't start until 2011?
Redshirt Junior, first year starting, 16 sacks, 9 FF, has speed off the edge, can get to the QB all game.
I’ll take him, and if we don’t, somebody else will. Missed DE again for us
But why didn't he start?
is it because he didn’t play hard? Can’t have that on the team, I mean he “obviously” wasn’t “motivated”.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Feb 27, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Coples best season came from DT
Tape says he doesn’t play hard
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