Goodell Plans Expansion?
by Jagfan89 on Feb 3, 2012 8:33 AM EST
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Last night on "Costas Live" on the new NBC Sports Network NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell was on the record stating that he "doesn’t want to move any of our teams." While that is good news for Jaguars fans here in Jacksonville, what was rather interesting was Roger’s expanded remarks. Goodell hinted that he would like to see expansion to 34 teams. While there isn’t really any timetable when this could come into fruition, it brings about an interesting argument. Should the league expand to 34 teams? It would obviously be good for the players, as it would create more opportunities but would it be good for the league?
One thing is certain; this is good news for the future of the Jaguars in Jacksonville.
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I doubt L.A. could support ttwo teams as some have suggested. One would be enough for that basketball town.
I think San Antonio could be viable for a team but I would to see a state that does not have a team get one. Personally, I have always liked the idea of a team that represents an entire region (similar to New England) with that region being Appalachia.
by Catfanatic1979v1 on Feb 3, 2012 8:42 AM EST reply actions
Could you imagine the tailgating?
possum and moonshine.
Only stadium in the NFL with a footwear optional policy.
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If they expand it'll be to LA and London
Most obvious places. LA due to the demand and huge market. London will be their attempt to make the league global. Other then that I could possibly see Toronto as an option, another “foreign” local that has experience with the NFL.
They won't put a team in london
It would create huge problems as far as timewise because imagine the chargers or 9ers or seahawks or arizona having to fly out to london , thats to much , I doubt they do that
by amujic32 on Feb 3, 2012 9:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thats the issue but I bet they try
teams that play in London would get scheduled to travel on week after bye week so teams have a little more time to travel, adjust. The London team would play sets of 3 or 4 away games in a row that way they are not constantly crossing the atlantic each week. It’ll be tough, but I would not put it past the NFL to try. They seem very committed to expanding overseas in some form.
That..
Would put them at a huge disadvantage
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Feb 3, 2012 9:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I do not see the European thing happening...
Yes I can see the league having exhibition games there to gain support for merchandizing, but I do not see there being games there. If they think the 3 hour difference between west and east coast causes problems, try to deal with the 5 hour difference between here and London. What would the games be played at 8 am EST? It just does not seem like a marketable plan.
My bigger concern comes in how do you make 34 teams work. That’s 17 per conference. 17 is a prime number. You can’t have 2, 3, 4 or any number of divisions per conference with even numbers of teams. I just don’t see how they could make that work.
Remember,
for the longest time, the NFC West had 4 teams whil the Central and East had 5 and the AFC Central had 4 while the East and West had 5.
It’s very doable with 4 divisions, If the 2 teams, hypothetically, were LA and London, then the NFC West would get LA and AFC East would get London, and I could envision London having a schedule full of back to back home followed by back to back away and maybe a 3 game road stretch followed by the bye week.
I still think if the NFL wants to go to Europe, they better plan on a 4 team expansion there or at the very least 2 Euro teams. I think Amsterdam, Frankfurt, London and Barcelona would be a decent fit.
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I actually did no remember.....
that there were uneven numbers of teams in divisions. How did they work the playing against one another deal out? Did they just have more divisional games than the divisions with less teams?
yes
They had 6 while the others had 8. If I remember correctly, the NFC West had the LA Rams, 49ers, Saints and Falcons; and the AFC Central had Houston, Cleveland, Cincy, Pitt.
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Expanding to 34 would reduce the chance of teams moving
Presumably one of, if not both of, the expansion teams would be in LA. There are only so many markets that can support a team. You still have Toronto, but that is Bills territory and they’d be the team to move. London will likely only get a larger slate of games from teams based in the US. Portland is a large TV market that might support a team, San Antonio may be able to support a team, Salt Lake City, and OK City are possibilities as well. However, these alternative markets aren’t inherently “greener pastures”.
34 is probably pushing the saturation level, but such an expansion would allow the league to once and for all plant a team in LA instead of waiting for someone else to move first.
The Buffalo Bills would have to change their name if they moved to Toronto. Their current name is a reference to a famous cowboy.
by Catfanatic1979v1 on Feb 3, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
So what ?
The Lakers are called that because they’re from Minnesota, not a lot of Lakes in LA. The Utah Jazz are originally from New Orleans… Utah not exactly known for its Jazz etc… The Braves moved from Boston to Milwaukee to Atlanta and never changed their name.
if you think about it
the Boston Tea Party the participants were dressed as Mohawk Indians.
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Birmingham?
A market about the size of Jacksonville. Really nothing else in town. I know it is a college football state, but there is money there and no real other team fanbase. They also do not have the nothern transplant issue that the FL teams do. Just a thought.
I always liked Birmigham as an expansion destination.
by Catfanatic1979v1 on Feb 3, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
I'm actually shocked that Birmingham has never gotten much traction in expansion talks
I wonder if all of those big dollar boosters over there realize that the NFL is a bigger animal than the NCAA and figure they cannot exert their influence the way they currently do at Bama and Auburn. Lord knows the Bull Gators try their ass off to do it with the Jaguars.
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Im curious as to how they would allign the Divisions.
This would put each conference at 17 so who picks up the odd man?
by JagSoldier on Feb 3, 2012 9:14 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Couple of reasons
Dilution of talent.
Smaller piece of TV pie. (contracts just signed are for 9 years).
If it isn't broken, keep fixing it until it is.
I think the current set-up is about as perfect as you can get. Sure you can say that the conferences need to re-align regionally, but then you remove some of the best rivals in football – there’s a solid discussion for both.
Baseball has 30 teams and they’re split 14-16, the divisions are strange and split up ackwardly, but the way their playoff system is set, they can make it work. It also doesn’t hurt when you play 162 regular season games – you can spread it out.
And as I’m typing this, another thought, maybe the move to 34 teams is premised around an 18 game schedule – a potential way to play the extra team in each division……
Hmmmmm.
It's so difficult to find a franchise QB in this league
Frankly, most teams are awful to watch when they don’t possess a franchise QB. Diluting that talent pool anymore is foolish.
The number of teams in the league is fine where it is
As is the number of games, its the closet thing there is to perfection as you have in sports. To add teams, you would have uneven divisions and conferences making everything overly complicated. Not to mention the lack of talent to go around, its already hard for teams to assemble and retain quality talent, I think adding more teams to the mix will only add to the lack of competitive games we see.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Feb 3, 2012 9:40 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Excellent point about the dearth of talent.
Once you keep expanding, the more fringe players you allow to make it, instead of getting cut. Look at the pitching situation in baseball. With every team carrying 12 pitchers, there are many pitchers who don’t belong in the majors. You start creating roster space for 106 new players, you are gonna get some guys who are not NFL caliber filling out rosters.
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by JPQ! on Feb 3, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
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I dont think there is an issue of not
being able to find enough talent. For every Adrian Peterson and Eli Manning there is a Arian Foster and Tony Romo. The problem will be with the allignment of Divisions. One will have to pick up the new team and that could turn out bad. Imagine if 8 of your teams games every year were played against Division rivals while everyone else only played six. This takes away the even playing field IMO. I dont see how it would work.
by JagSoldier on Feb 3, 2012 9:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
We couldn't even find enough talent at WR this year - and that's BEFORE expansion.
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True but in all fairness
Gene hasnt aggressively pursued the position yet.
by JagSoldier on Feb 3, 2012 2:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's a QB-driven league
and there aren’t to go around as it is. Unless the league does something to address that, it means that two more teams each year have no chance of winning.
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by unhipcat on Feb 3, 2012 9:49 AM EST via mobile reply actions
^^ This.
Making the league’s talent thinner helps nothing.
by MeanMrMustard on Feb 3, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
I dissagree.
Not every team is goimg to have an elite QB but serviceable is obtainable. Think Jason Cambell, Kyle Orton, Kevin Kolb.
by JagSoldier on Feb 3, 2012 2:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think this is all interesting conversation...
but lets not forget……the man in charge of the league just said the Jags are not moving! I don’t guess I care what they do with the league as long as that is true!
Not to be picky, but...
… I didn’t see the interview, but based on the article he didn’t say the Jags are not moving. He said he didn’t ‘want to’ move any teams. We all do things we don’t want to do.
At the end of the day, we need to support this team if we want to ensure it stays. That’s all there is to it. Buy tickets (preferrably Season tickets, but I understand not everyone can afford 10 tickets a year), go to the games, show how much you appreciate having an NFL team. IMO, that’s how the Jags stay – not something Goodell or Khan says in an interview.
Not to be picky....
at you being picky, but you are correct. The necessity of season ticket holders from this area is huge, and yes, full stadiums will certainly do more to keep the team in Jax than any statement for Mr. Goodell or Mr. Kahn. I think the key point of his statement, and the reason I will stand by what I said above, is that along with not wanting to move teams, he is interested in expansion. We can all guess to where that expansion might take place, but I think we would all agree that LA is top of the list. Filling that gaping hole with a team will do more to secure our current location than anything…well anything except sold out stadiums!
Mexico City?
Stick a team in Mexico City. and see what happens.lol If there are any druggies in the NFL, they will OD before they make it back to the states.
by Catfanatic1979v1 on Feb 3, 2012 10:48 AM EST reply actions
Two Ideas
How does Goodell feel about Vegas? Also, how about Hawaii? You don’t need a large hawaiin population because you could get tourists to go the stadium. it would fuel airplane ticket sales during a time where vacationing is cheaper in Hawaii.
by Catfanatic1979v1 on Feb 3, 2012 10:54 AM EST reply actions
I see where you're going with this....
So would it be the Hawaiian Deltas or the Hawaiian Continentals?
And it would piss the locals off more than they already are.
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The NFL is gambling driven
If they go Vegas, they’d have to force all of the casinos to take NFL off the sports books. I have a feeling if the NFL made serious overtures that Congress would get involved.
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The NFL is certainly not gambling driven.
The league hates sports betting, that’s why you never see Vegas ads on the Super Bowl. I agree that there’s no way the NFL would put a team in Vegas without somehow killing the betting, and that won’t work for anyone.
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by BrotherFlounder on Feb 3, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
believe what you wish
why do you think injury reports are mandatory, competitive advantage?
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LA has already shown it doesn't care that much about pro football.
Three teams have moved away from there: why is the NFL having so much trouble taking the hint?
San Antonio would be a monster NFL town, but the Cowboys and Texans will try to block putting a team there. Other than that, I don’t see another American city that’s a good prospect for a franchise.
I think Roger was hoping we failed.
He wants to see a team in LA and this is how he keeps LA interested.
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I think there's some truth to that
Has he ever addressed another team and told them to get their crap together like he did Jax back in ‘09? He wouldn’t have dared to do that in Oakland or Tampa Bay.
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I dont think he would say that to Khan.
Shad is the new Napolean of this era. Something about that little guy tells me that he wont take shit from no one.
by JagSoldier on Feb 3, 2012 2:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Just a gut feeling, but I think he is going to screw J'ville and move the team.
If he’s not planning to do that, I don’t understand why he bought the franchise.
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because he can be the big fish in a small pond
Think about it my fellow Jaguar fan he is worth over 3 billion dollars and his main home is in Champagne Illinois. Not everyone is about the glits and glammor of being in a big market some people just like to be a big deal in a small city where they would be beloved and appreciated. Just like the rise of the rally we had this past month and how him and his wife got a long standing ovation in fron of 7 thousand people. In L.A. he not getting that kind of reception because in their eyes he just another billionare in city full of millionaires, billionaires, and celebrities. In Jacksonville, he’s the most popular and important person right now that including over anyone at the city counsel. Just like he parked his boat in front of the landing it was the most talked about story in the TU and on the evening news unlike in L.A. his boat is on of over 50 luxurious boats so to them, its not a big deal at all. He has a rock star status right now in this city which him and his family are loving it so therefore, he may see being in Jacksonville having alot of upside and great for his lifestyle long term.
by leopold332002 on Feb 3, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think it's about his popularity at all: it's about business.
He can almost double the value of his investment overnight by moving the team to LA. He didn’t get to be a billionaire by worrying about whether people love him.
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If he goes to L.A he would have to sell the team
because the prospective land developer wants to have a piece of the team.
by leopold332002 on Feb 4, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
i would be in favor
If the two new teams were out west but then the divisions would be all screwed up unless maybe they go back to a 3 divisions per conference format. Jags, browns, steelers, and 2 other teams.
Have a east, west , central division in each conference
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by TheTealDeal on Feb 3, 2012 1:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions
you mean Cincy?
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I could remember CLE
However i wasnt sure between Baltimore or cincy so I kinda just covered my bases there
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by TheTealDeal on Feb 4, 2012 7:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I saw a press conference at lunch
where Goodell said specifically that there has been NO TALK about expansion. I assume he means it’s something he would like, but the owners haven’t discussed it at all.
I think the owners need to figure out how to get asses in seats and enhance the stadium experience
Khan has a lot of great ideas that folks in Seattle and in baseball, San Francisco have already dealt with.
What helps him is his bankroll as well as a Mayor who I believe he can work with.
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I'm against it...
…if anything expand to 36 teams, because I like how each division has 4 teams.
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Um.... 36 teams/2 conferences =18 per 18/4 divisions = 4.5
I think we would need a total of 40 teams to keep the 4 team division thing going.
by JagSoldier on Feb 4, 2012 9:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I hope the next expansion franchise doesn't pull a Houston
And draft a QB #1 with an O-line composed of matadors.
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