Greg Olson & Blaine Gabbert Can't Work Together Until April, So They Should Cheat
by Alfie Crow on Feb 3, 2012 12:16 PM EST
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PrintThe Jacksonville Jaguars hired new quarterbacks coach Greg Olson with the hopes that he will be able to work with quarterback Blaine Gabbert in the offseason. There are various mechanical things Gabbert needs to work on that will ultimately improve his game, but there is a slight problem. The two cannot actually work together or "talk about football" until April. Under the new CBA, teams cannot even have footballs on the practice field or talk about scheme, football, etc. with players until April. Even then, it's mostly just about working out and conditioning and still no scheme. So, how can Greg Olson and Blaine Gabbert get things started earlier than it's allowed?
They can cheat, of course.
Blaine Gabbert is allowed to hire a third party quarterbacks coach to work with in the offseason, which is what many quarterbacks will do to help refine things like footwork and mechanics. So, how is this quarterback coach supposed to know what to work on with Gabbert? All it would take is for Olson to find out which quarterback guru Gabbert will hire and instruct him on what to work on with Gabbert. That's legal, right? I mean, he's not actually talking with Blaine Gabbert.
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I'm game
Our future is in his hands, so do what it takes.
makes sense
He could just call up Manning. That’s what Garrard did.
That didn’t work out so well for Garrard.
by Alfie Crow on Feb 3, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
maybe
Maybe it was more of Manning couldn’t do any more for Garrard. He had peaked right? Isn’t that what everyone had said.
Gabbert hasn’t peaked. Not that I was seriously suggesting it anyhow….
How about Shula? Can he work with another team’s QB coach?
Yessssss!!!!!!!!!
Also just heard from a friend, Thursday Night Football is to start in week 2 giving all 32 teams a primetime game. Saweeet!!!!!!!
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well there will be 13 games.
So maybe 26 different teams hahahahaha
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you know what'd be kick ass?
a home game on Thanksgiving night. Man would the stadium be rocking full of folks who want to get the hell away from their families.
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by Joe Fisher on Feb 3, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Correction
All 32 WILL have a primetime game, just not all on TNF.
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LOOK LIKE A NFL QB.....
Teach him how NOT to look at the pressure coming down on him and teach him how to look down field. Teach him how to throw the ball like a NFL QB instead of throwing like he just started throwing a football for the first time.
And for goodness sakes get him some WR’s that can create or good some separation from the DB’s.
I guarantee this will be Blaine’s last year here if he doesn’t improve. I think he may even lose his job at the half way point of the season if he’s not careful.
I need my meds.
I third it.
Cant forget how young he and raw he is. There is so much room for growth and development still
by JagSoldier on Feb 3, 2012 2:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Are you guaranteeing that.....
based on inside knowledge or that you feel he has the necessary skill set to be what we all want him to be?
If Gabbert throws for 132 yard per game next season
he will be gone. No doubt
It would take Gabbert getting caught on Phillips the morning of a game for that to happen
the kid has the tools. Oh and you know what the big news at the Super Bowl has been aside from Gronkowski’s ankle and Peyton Manning?
Brady has started to show a tendency to flinch in the pocket! He’s scared of contact! I was always under the impression it was only Gabbert.
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Seriously...
I think almost all QBs do it. I can’t see why any of them would not have a little fear of being ran into full speed by a 200 to 300 pound person who’s only intention is to hit you as hard as they can.
Keep in mind......
Blaine ain’t a small guy. Granted he is no 300 pounder, but 6-4, 233 is not a small man. I am not asking a guy that weighs 160 to take the hit!
I understand...
what you’re saying but it’s not like he has the body build or muscle mass of a player at other positions.
Also, while I know little to nothing about the laws of physics, I’m sure the impact of a hit carries much more force when it’s carried into a stationary object (a QB) rather than one that has it’s own momentum (a RB). Basically saying that it probably hurts much more to take a sack as opposed to a running back getting tackled, who again has the muscle mass to better embrace such a force running into it. With that being said, I think one thing that can be done to help Blaine out, is to get him outside of the pocket and let him use his athleticism and ability to throw on the run more. While he’ll still have to get used to taking more traditional drops, it can’t hurt by limiting the amount of times he’s subject to taking a sack while standing in the pocket.
All your points are good.....
Just think how many times you have seen Breeze, Rogers, Big Ben and other great QB’s picking themselves up off the turf after a great pass. That happens because they do there footwork right and follow through and make a good throw without worrying about the hit that they know is coming. It is as if they have come to the conclusion that the completed pass means more to them than not getting hit. That has to happen to Blaine. By the way, Aaron Rogers is a bit smaller guy than Blaine, and so is Breeze I think for what its worth.
you act as if these are inherent characteristics.
and these guys have done this since Day 1 in the NFL. I recall Brees running for his life quite a bit when the Chargers were very similar to us in that all they had was a TE and Tomlinson. Remember the injury that led to him becoming a Saint?
Also, Rodgers and Ben pay the price for their style of play. Both have missed games due to concussions.
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I have no idea if they are inherent or learned....
and don’t have any trouble believing they are learned. I am simply saying that I believe that a QB has to loose his fear of being hit to be successful at that position, much the same a receiver would, but maybe I am wrong. And keep in mind, I am not saying he should do all he can to protect himself when he can….but you have got to make the play to have success….not every time, but more times than not.
That sounds...
like a hard thing to learn when your well being and livelihood are at stake. I don’t think they should lose the fear, just learn to embrace it and get their body in the best position physically to take the hits, which should limit their chances of getting hurt. But you’re right, the play does have to be made more times than not if you want to be successful in this league.
You may have said it best....
and maybe this is what has to be learned…….learn how to take the hit to reduce the damage to your body. I think that can be learned, and I think that is where I am going to leave it.
Wasn't Brees'
issue a shoulder injury? If it was, it probably came from him getting slammed on it. And at least Blaine understands one thing, he can’t help the team much if he’s on the sideline injured.
i have physics as a course in high school now
More mass means there’s more force. So the bigger the person, the harder they will hit.
Force = Mass times Acceleration
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by TheTealDeal on Feb 3, 2012 8:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Physics...
in high school? My, how school has changed since I’ve been.
And thanks for the info.
I liken a jittery QB in the pocket.....
who is very afraid of being hit to a receiver going across the middle who gets a sudden case of alligator arms. Neither one is as effective as he could be if he was not afraid of the hit. I would assume it is like most things that all of us have fear off. You can overcome most fears, and then its like a light comes on, and you look at the situation much different. I agree Blaine came into a bad situation, and I think (and hope) he can work his way out of it.
he's not as jittery in the pocket as the analysts made him out to be
Remember the game where they showed the “open receivers” as Steve Tasker was doing his damnedest to prove Gabbert was soft and a horrible quarterback? Meanwhile, the receivers were open, but only after Gabbert committed to scramble.
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wow.. you know your stuff!!
Teach me how to Deji
by Pocket Hercules on Feb 3, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
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by Brian Levenson on Feb 3, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
I could take a dump in a box and lable it guaranteed,then all u got is a guarateed P.O.S.
by EZ904 on Feb 3, 2012 10:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Finally !!!
A post I can completely agree with Alfie on… Maybe he will agree with my response, too. ;)
I say ‘give’ Blaine a welcome gift to start the new relationship off on a good note. Perhaps a copy of the latest video game that’s all the craze with the kids. Perhaps something like like, um, I don’t know… Madden? With preloaded ‘extras’ to really sweeten the gift – something different than he may have seen before… a really unique gift. That would be such a wonderful gesture.
…. A copy of Madden with preloaded plays (ie: scheme) that the Jags plan on running next year. So he can get familiar with the plays, etc. by playing them on an XBox or PS3, etc. before they are permitted to discuss football.
Was 1/2 kidding expounding on Alfie’s Cheat2Win.
Geez dude, I was buying that for a minute
by JagSoldier on Feb 3, 2012 2:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I was only 1/2 kidding... therefore 1/2 serious.
It’s not out of the realm of possibility. It’s been done before.
(This is an example that’ll get picked apart because they didn’t win the National Championship, plus some idiot will try his turn this into a Sandusky joke, but here goes…)
Penn State did this in ’07 when they were making a lot of changes to the offense. It allowed the QBs to practice the plays (including the specific scripted plays for each week) in their off time to get more familiar with the new scheme and changes.
all you need is some player bringing his Jags playbook into an online game and some 12 year old solves him at every turn
thus you have the youngest DC in NFL history.
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Here's a name
Sam Wyche. Worked with Bratkowski and Mularkey.
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JTW had the same conversation Wed. night.....
and they weren’t sure either way. I say do it and apologize later, if it violates CBA rules.
I know it's from a year ago, but...
… I kinda poked around the Interwebs and came across a situation with the Dolphins last year with the same thing. I know it’s from last year (when the whole lockout was going on), but the last part “NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said that the league will likely not take action against the Dolphins for the meetings between Brian Daboll and Chad Henne. Apparently a number of other teams have had QB/Coach meetings and it isn’t at the top of the NFL’s list of concerns at this time.” looked promising on the ‘do it and apologize later’ front.
except in the NFL, those types of apologies can include a first round draft choice
Section 442, RIP
"You think you know, but you don't know."
“Under the new CBA, teams cannot even have footballs on the practice field or talk about scheme, football, etc. with players until April.”
What is the point of this rule? I don’t understand why a team with a young player who needs development can’t continue working together as early as February. Was it something the players wanted to have put in to the CBA (which is understandable, players need a break)?
I bet the coaches wish they had something like that
I still believe that privately they were hoping like hell that Spurrier succeeded in the NFL being that it is such a copycat league.
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Do what it takes.
If you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying.
by Sinister_1 on Feb 3, 2012 1:13 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Adapting from "Days of Thunder".....
Instead of “that’s not rubbing, that’s racing”…..“that’s not cheating, that’s winning”!
if you ain't first, you're last!
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the Supreme Court already said this is ok
if it’s good enough for SUPER PACs, it’s good enough for the NFL.
(Citizen’s United vs. Federal Elections Commission)
Section 442, RIP
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Um.... This is apparently the plan so it must not be cheating.
http://www.jaguars.com/news/article-1/Clean-slate-for-Gabbert/9ede1493-a741-4eb6-9313-f179abd2a8dd
Olson said Gabbert may be able to improve some techniques before the off-season program begins – individually and with outside assistance. NFL quarterbacks often hire personal coaches during the off-season or attend various quarterback clinics around the country, and while Olson said that environment could benefit Gabbert he said that’s true only "as long as we’re all on the same page."
He said the staff is currently putting together a plan to relay to Gabbert and anyone who may work with him this off-season.
"As long as there aren’t mixed messages or two different messages," Olson said. "Obviously, that’s not what you want – too many voices. We’re coming up with a plan – the Jacksonville Jaguars. It’s not some outside source saying, ‘This is what you need to work on.’ It’s, ‘This is our plan and our collective minds as an offensive staff and things you need to improve on.’ A lot of it will depend on him and his work ethic.
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