7 . Jacksonville Jaguars - Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama
-Maurice Jones-Drew is inching closer running the tread off his tires (Jacksonville's fault), and they'll need to replace him. Heard a rumor that if Richardson is here, the Jaguars WILL take him.Props to Jaguarsblog for linking it on twitter.
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Just saw this
and posted it here to see others’ thoughts. I don’t think it’s true, but who knows.
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by rhettchrystal on Feb 8, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
I like Richardson, I have absolutely nothing against him
But I do Not see him as either BAP or a need pick…Especially at #7. Theres only 2 RB’s in the league right now that I’d take at #7…MJD and A.P. …and Richardson is not one of them.
by Jags85 on Feb 8, 2012 12:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
what about lesean mccoy, matt forte, and arian foster?
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by Jaggaholic82 on Feb 8, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
how do you not see him as BAP
If is falls to 7 hes clearly the BAP. He is agruably one of the top 3 players in this draft. So if your a guy who wants BAP regardless of position you have to take him.
Running back is not a premium position. You only take him that high if you truly believe that he's a once in a generation type player or you wasted the true value of that pick.
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What does premium positon have to do with BAP?
Hes also probably the top RB prospect to come out of college since AP.
Premium positions have everything to do with BAP. Many ppl forget that BAP is not just "draft the best guy"...it's draft the best guy within some sort of parameter...
Corner backs are more at a premium than running backs.
Premium positions are left tackles, corner backs, pass rushing D-End, QBs, etc…WRs and RBs aren’t premium positions unless you believe they’re truly a generation-defining player (Barry Sanders, Larry Fitzgerald, etc)….
And it’s actually kinda odd; I’m starting to believe that with everyone taking a QB in the first round QBs are becoming less and less of a premium position…
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They're a premium position
because no matter how high people rank QB’s and how high teams draft QB’s, getting a really good one may take a few tries. And as Alfie explained last offseason in several stories, getting one in the later rounds, while possible, is significantly more difficult.
I understand premium positions
But if a team has a rb graded 96 and de rated 94 and your a team who says they draft BAP (and actually do it) then your going to take the rb. Your gonna draft the best player regardless of position. Your agrument is more drafting for value than BAP.
Also im not saying id take Trent. Im just saying if the jags drafted truely BAP and hes there then hes the pick.
We drafted MJD in the 2nd round
Arian Foster wasn’t even drafted.
No way, to me at least, ANY RB is top 10 on my player rankings.
Yes i understand you can good running backs later.
What im saying is if you feel like hes the best player regardless of position and your are a team who drafts strickly on BAP, then you draft him. BAP has nothing to do with premium position.
BAP has everything to do with premium positions...please analyze what any coach states during the pre-and post-draft....
Normally RBs aren’t drafted in the top 10-15…why? Because they’re not a premium position…aka you can find someone later with close to that same talent for a much lesser risk.
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thats not neccessarily true
you wouldnt devalue mjd and AP because they are running backs if they were to be redrafted today. BAP is BAP, no matter what the position is
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BAP is a lie. It’s a way to rationalize publicly why you drafted a player.
BAP actually does have everything to do with premium positions. If you did actually follow a BAP board, premium positions would be weighted and hihger on your board… because they’re premium.
Your second paragraph
states why your first isn’t really correct.
The problem with BAP is we never get to see exactly how ALL teams ranked the players or why they ranked them the way they did. I don’t believe Gene Smith is lying to us when he says he drafts BAP. The only question becomes how/why did HE rank Player X higher than Player Y.
The problem with BAP, is it’s a facade used to sell draft picks to fans and rationalize the team’s reasoning publicly.
I know this. For a fact.
So you're saying, for a fact
that every single GM that has ever held a job in the NFL is perpetrating this ruse simply to rationalize things to the public. Sorry, you’ll never convince me of that.
And if it were true then why would some GM’s come out and say publicly they don’t use BAP that they specifically target players of need ?
truth is, unless we get in the GM's head we'll never know his thought process
(sarcasm)
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hahaha
so your saying ‘for a fact’ that “BAP GM’s” intentionally choose players who aren’t as high on THEIR own boards( to fill needs) claim they are drafting BAP – for the sole purpose of throwing off disgruntled fans?
..Rather than just admitting they choose based on need drafting… just so they can throw the sent off the trail for.. fans…
LOL ( really just a smug smile i have right now)
If you think teams just rank players and draft off a board, then you really have no clue what happens.
I said nothing about GM’s “intentionally choosing players who aren’t as high”. The whole premise is a farce into itself.
So every GM that talks about BAP
in press conferences or interviews is flat out lying ?
I don’t think anyone thinks they make a ranking of players form 1-300 and just pick the next guy not scratched off their board. That wouldn’t allow for trades etc…
But you actually said that “BAP, is it’s a facade used to sell draft picks to fans…” And that would suggest some massive conspiracy between personnel people across the league.
It suggests nothing expect that BAP drafting doesn’t exist in any form close to what fans think. Teams target certain players (based on need and if by chance, value (like Gabbert), by round. BAP is a facade. It’s to placate media and fans without ever have to really talk about what goes on in the draft room.
Point blank: GMs in press conferences and interviews flat out lie. How much proof of this do you need? It happens ALL the time. Remember last offseason when you went on and on about how Garrard would be the QB, because they wouldn’t lie publicly?
GMs, coaches, everyone lies.
I don't believe that were lying
when they said he was going to be the QB. I think the moment they felt he wasn’t going to be the QB they released him. Things change all the time that doesn’t mean anyone is lying.
And lying about whether BAP is something that exists is completely different to smoke screens about a specific player or players that are being targeted in the draft or free agency.
You stating that it’s a complete fabrication and somehow all personnel people who have ever worked in the NFL conspire to perpetuate this lie to somehow placate their fans is just plain ridiculous.
which is the spoon-feed to which you're referring?
Garrard and QB or BAP and smokescreen?
if it’s the Garrard issue, i’d like to hear your explanation of the benefit for retaining beyond the point they knew he would not play in 2011.
it it’s there’s no such thing as BAP and it’s all a smokescreen, I’d like to hear your perspective on that.
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Garrard was the starting QB until he wasn’t the starting QB. When Gene et al finally realized he would not be what they thought they was going to be, they cut him and moved on. Why is that so hard to comprehend? Does anyone think they actually kept him on the roster throughout the entire preseason knowing they weren’t going to play him in 2011? That’s crazy. And as far as BP, does anyone think a GM would draft the top punter over the number two left tackle? Come On, people.
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by unhipcat on Feb 9, 2012 12:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
of corse they lie
but how much more does “i draft based on need (but claim im BAP” really hide your intentions? If all other “BAP GM’s” use this same technique, whats the point. If im playing texas holdem’ and i know everyone is bluffing.. whats the point of bluffing too?
i think GM’s are alot more savy then you give them credit for. I think the real problem is you take BAP too literally, when Gene Smith has already explained how he brackets players. Thus leading noobs to believe they ‘must be need picking’
I guess it’s a massive coincidence all of his first and second picks in every draft have been massive needs, then?
Or on the flip side,
One could say that GM Gene drafted Only premium possitions in those first two rounds every year. He puts higher value on bigger men, as he should.
Also- don’t pretend that we had limited hole on this roster the past years.. I really do believe it was a mixture of luck and coincidence, that we got the premium people Gene deemed BAP.
Except defensive tackles and interior offensive lineman aren’t anything close to being “premium” positions. So, you actually can’t say that at all.
Every player Gene Smith has picked in the first three rounds has started the majority of games their rookie season. He’s drafted immediate need in the first three rounds, every year.
With the condition..
the team was in before he became GM, it’s going to appear that every pick he selects is a need. I’d argue that Blaine wasn’t a need based pick because I’m not sure how QB would’ve been considered a need when we, at the time, had an entrenched starter and what was believed to be a capable back up.
The team wasn’t in that position until Gene Smith gutted the roster so he could play his own guys.
Blaine was absolutely a need based pick. The team had to draft a quarterback in the 2011 draft.
You can say that...
but how have the players he released went on to do? I’d say he kept all the right players and let the right ones go.
Even if the team had to draft a QB last draft, which I don’t believe we had to (knowing we knew then), that doesn’t mean Blaine had to be the pick. If he traded up to get Blaine, what’s to say he couldn’t have traded back and got a player like Dalton or Kaepernick? Or if he couldn’t have traded back, still selected one of them? All I’m trying to say is, that in this situation, I think Blaine was a BAP selection and not a need based one.
I never said Blaine had to be the pick. The team NEEDED a QB and traded up to get one. That’s not BAP drafting. Trading up is the anthesis of BAP drafting.
my post is super skinny
so ill keep this short
Hypothetical situatiion- blaine gabbet is 97 on his list, only he von miller, marcell darius and patrick peterson are ranked equall, then aldon smith is gone.. now your see locker get picked and your dealing with players u have ranked lets say 95 and below (besides gab)..so u move up and take your BAP #10… BAM
Never said...
that you did. I said that to lead it up to the question I asked. So I’ll ask another. If Blaine doesn’t fall, do you think Gene still would’ve traded up? I’m inclined to think not.
It’s been mentioned and discussed that it was rumored that Blaine was the #1 player on Gene’s draft board. Let’s say that is true for the sake of this BAP discussion. Considering he fell to #10 and Gene was able to go up and get him, would that not be considered BAP drafting? I’m asking while agreeing with you saying trading up is the antithesis of BAP drafting.
Again, we’ll just have to disagree on the notion that we needed a QB heading into last years draft. If anything, we needed a DE, LB’s, S’s and WR’s much more than a QB. I say if Blaine doesn’t fall, we stay put, draft Kerrigan and use him in the same capacity Denver used Von Miller. But that is neither here nor there.
there was a lot of garbage on the 2008 team
They needed to purge it. However, I believe that was one of those rare cases where the coach did not fall on the sword as the traditional belief is you can’t fire the players.
In hindsight, Gene’s first order of business in ’08 should have been to blow out the coach. Whether he did not due it due to pressure from ownership, only 2 people know.
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Even if every team used a very strict BAP
philosophy, the draft would still be a very dynamic thing because every GM in the league would have a slightly different grade on a player.
And as stated above, a players position most definitely comes into where he ranks.
Every year some claims the Jaguars are going to take a RB early
The last two drafts players like Spiller and Ingram have been floated as possibilities but I don’t see it. You can find great running backs in later rounds nowadays and with MJD already established it makes little sense since Richardson is not an truely elite RB prospect (like AP was). That being said I am not all opposed to using a pick say in the 3rd or 4th round on a RB. MJD does need a good back up with all the wear and tear hes getting. No one knows what Jennings will be like post injury and Karim showed this season he has speed but little else. Harris is an interesting player and might develop but we will have to wait and see.
if this is true and it happens
my post about us taking him wont make me look like such a jackass
but other than that idk the positives to this at this point, he is BPA but idk if it would be the Best Pick Available
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cool!
loved when we had taylor AND mjd. nothing wrong with sharing the reps AND having 2 badasses on the field at the same time.
by blakemoody on Feb 8, 2012 12:12 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I don't think he would ask for a trade but
He sure would be pissed. He is a competitor and would not be happy if the started spliting his carries. Thats just a guess but based on his pesonality Im guessing it would not sit well with him
theres nothing else to talk about that hasnt been talked about 1000 times before
its a nice break from gabbert, free agent wide receivers, and coples lol
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by Jaggaholic82 on Feb 8, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Lol..thinking the same thing...just a buncha babble b.s.
Lol something to create conversation and kill time
by Jags85 on Feb 8, 2012 12:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
were totally not going running back at #7
BUT having another offensive weapon is cool by me. ANYTHING to help the offense is what im trying to say.
MJD wasn’t a Top 10 pick. That’s what’s wrong with it.
Oh, and the team led the NFL in rushing and went 5-11.
MJD led the league, but the Jags were 12th in rushing.
- and #2 were both playoff teams, Denver and Houston.
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by Brian Levenson on Feb 8, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
McGahee was too. Sorry for butting in.
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Yeah, you’re right. McGahee was the 23rd overall pick, and a massive disappointment.
Point still stands, top 10 picks on running backs are terrible ideas and typically don’t pan out to fit where they’re picked.
in your defense McGahee was not a 1st round pick by Denver
but Moreno was and he has been very mediocre.
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thats what I figured
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by rhettchrystal on Feb 8, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
exactly what I thought
but doesn’t that just give the #6 pick the power? If a team is hungry for TRich and they think we will take him at 7…they will want to trade to 6, no?
thats what i was thinking
why would somebody try to trade with us to get trich if we reportedly really wanted trich? doesnt really make sense
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Yeah it does
That would mean someone the Jaguars potentially targeted would be there at 7 instead of being taken.
I think that is kind of obvious
every year some preposterous kind of rumor along the lines of “if X is there, Team Y WILL NOT pass him up”
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by unhipcat on Feb 8, 2012 1:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I don't see this happening
but if the other needs the Jags are answered in FA then why is this so bad? Things worked out pretty well for Fred and MJD when they split carries. This time around MJD is the 1and Trent is the 2. 3 years from now Trent takes over. I wouldn’t be against seeing those long 10 min drives like they had in 07 or Gabbert playing dink and dunk until he reaches his full potential.
I just heard a big time rumor
If Andrew Luck is available the Colts WILL take him.
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Dang you!...i was JUST about to post that lol
by Jags85 on Feb 8, 2012 7:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Because they are either a "casual" fan or someone who knows absolutely Nothing about the roster and forget about R. Jennings!
I dont mind them drafting a RB………. in the later rounds!
by Jags85 on Feb 9, 2012 1:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
you mean Kelvin?
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