Paul Kuharsky Espn RT @jaguarsinsider: Rashean Mathis (finger) and CB Brian Witherspoon (hamstring) are out for the Jaguars on Sunday. #NFL #JAC

For starters, it's common knowledge in league circles that the Jacksonville Jaguars are shopping Quentin Groves.

Groves, a second-round pick in 2008 as a defensive end, has been moved this year to linebacker. On the team's current depth chart, Groves is listed as a third-stringer......

There also are rumblings that receiver Mike Sims-Walker could be available, too.

Del Rio must demonstrate he can calm the waters and not let another season get away from him. Or else, he too, may be issuing a different kind of apology

Tony Brown has been dealt a $10,000 fine by the NFL for two separate hits unleashed on Jaguars' quarterback David Garrard in Week 4, according to the Nashville City Paper.

Our View: Brown's first hit on Garrard was helmet-to-helmet. Brown is not a dirty player, and insists that he hit the quarterback under the chin.

Seattle will be without three-fifths of its starting offensive line against the Jaguars. Brandon Frye(notes), waived last month by Miami, will fill in again for Walter Jones(notes) at left tackle as Jones rests through the end of the month following knee surgeries. Mansfield Wrotto(notes) will start at left guard for Rob Sims(notes), who is out with a high ankle sprain. And Sean Locklear(notes) remains out with another high ankle sprain, leaving Ray Willis(notes) at right tackle.

*this was talked about earlier but here are the details

"You all know me. I'm not a person who gets down," he said. "At the beginning I was, but I went home and readjusted and (thought), 'Q, maybe you have to put a little more work than I was putting in before.'" (emphasis added)

Groves was told by the coaches about the change last week, but Del Rio didn't go public with the demotion until Wednesday when he was asked why Groves didn't play more against the Titans.

Groves said he fell short in "little things" like coverages and awareness including "what's happening in front of me and behind me" as he adjusts to the new 3-4 defense.

"I am working every day to make it back and show them he does belong here and he can do the things we ask him to do," Groves said.

Trivia Question: What two NFL teams have the Jaguars never beaten and what are their records against those teams? Try not to cheat by doing a web search.

Latest Los Angeles stadium whispering is that there could be two NFL teams relocating to share a stadium. If just one stadium is built, the San Diego Chargers, Jacksonville Jaguars, Oakland Raiders and Vikings are considered contenders for relocation.

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Vic on JDR Stopping Garrard's Radio Show

Stephen from Jacksonville
"Del Rio cancels Garrard's weekly show" is the headline read on ESPN. It sounds to me like sour grapes. David was out promoting the product and doing his best to help build a fan base and Del Rio didn't like the fact that he wasn't included. It's not like Del Rio and his bland personality are out there trying to get people excited about Jaguars football. Mr. Ketchman, you know better than I do, but is there really anything wrong with what Garrard was doing?

Vic: I’ve been covering the Jaguars from their inception and that includes two head coaches and I can tell you that Jack Del Rio didn’t do anything Tom Coughlin or any other coach wouldn’t have done. What you don’t know, Stephen, is that Friday’s practice schedule is tailored for players to get home early, relax, do things around the house and spend time with their families. Why is that important? Because they’re going to be gone all weekend. They will report to the stadium on Saturday morning and they will go from there to the hotel, etc. No coach shortens the work day so his players can do radio interviews. Friday afternoon is the concentration line, Stephen. The players cross it when they get within 48 hours of kickoff and coaches want their players to have a singular focus from that point on. It’s been that way forever and every beat guy who covers any team knows this to be true and they know it to be fair. The game plan has been installed and coaches don’t want anything being said that might reveal its contents or the medical condition of a teammate. When we get to Friday afternoon, Stephen, every coach in the league becomes hyper-sensitive. Friday is lock-down. I knew coach Del Rio would get ripped on this thing because America loves nothing more than a good freedom-of-speech argument and this made for an easy target. Coach Del Rio was in a no-win position. Also, it provided another excuse for fans not buying tickets: He wouldn’t let Garrard interact with us. That is such crap.

Third string quarterback Tyler Thigpen has been traded from the Kansas City Chiefs to Miami for an "undisclosed" draft choice, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter.

Our View: Might Thigpen soon be the starter in Miami? With Chad Pennington out for the season, the Dolphins are going with Chad Henne in Week 4, but Henne has thrown just 31 career passes compared to Thigpen's 426. Henne is undoubtedly Miami's quarterback of the future, but if they haven't chalked up 2009 just yet, Thigpen could get a look, and it could be soon.

SERIOUSLY? And we couldn't get him...?